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Are We Watching The Internet Die?

We recorded 29 claims from this post. 11 were checked against evidence. 18 can’t be checked. 7 more are held. Read the post at its source.

Claims from this post (29)

In the order they appear in the post. Each quotation is the speaker’s words in this post. A label such as “Supported” or “Can’t be checked” is the claim’s current assessment; its page has the evidence and the reasons.

  1. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “Yet what's happening to the web is far more sinister than simple greed, but the destruction of the user-generated internet, where executives think they've found a way to replace human beings making cool things with generative monstrosities trained on datasets controlled and monetized by trillion-dollar firms.”

    What we tested: What is happening to the web is the destruction of the user-generated internet, in which executives think they have found a way to replace humans making things with generative AI output trained on datasets that trillion-dollar firms control and monetize.

  2. Assessment: SupportedSaid

    “The algorithms are easily-tricked, and the tools used to trick them are becoming easier to use and scale.”

    What we tested: Platform algorithms are easily tricked, and the tools used to trick them, including generative AI, are becoming easier to use and scale.

    What happened: The report describes using Byword to generate 1,800 articles in hours and obtain search traffic, supporting accessible production at scale. It also reports that much of the traffic subsequently disappeared; figures are estimates and campaign claims, not audited platform records. (The Decoder, )

  3. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “And it's slowly killing the internet.”

    What we tested: Generative content that games algorithms is slowly killing the internet.

  4. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

  5. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

    “In reality, a Habsburg AI will be one that is increasingly more generic and empty, normalized into a slop of anodyne business-speak as its models are trained on increasingly-identical content.”

    What we tested: A Habsburg AI, meaning a system heavily trained on the outputs of other generative AIs, will become increasingly generic and empty, normalized into anodyne business-speak, as its models are trained on increasingly identical content.

  6. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “While Google has claimed that their upcoming "core" update will help promote "content for people and not to rank in search engines," it’s made this promise before, and I severely doubt anything meaningfully changes.”

    What we tested: The author severely doubts that anything meaningfully changes after Google's upcoming core update, which Google claims will promote content for people rather than content made to rank in search engines.

  7. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

    “And because these platforms were built to reward scale and volume far more often than quality, AI naturally rewards those who can find the spammiest ways to manipulate the algorithm.”

    What we tested: Because platforms reward scale and volume over quality, generative AI rewards people who find the spammiest ways to manipulate algorithms.

  8. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

  9. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “These stories are, of course, all manifestations of a singular problem: that generative artificial intelligence is poison for an internet dependent on algorithms.”

    What we tested: The stories described are all manifestations of a single problem: generative AI is 'poison' for an internet dependent on algorithms.

  10. Assessment: SupportedSaid

    “Generative AI is a perfect tool for soullessly churning out content to match a particular set of instructions — such as those that an algorithm follows — and while an algorithm can theoretically be tuned to evaluate content as "human," so can scaled content be tweaked to make it seem more human.”

    What we tested: Generative AI is a perfect tool for soullessly churning out content to match a set of instructions such as an algorithm's, and while an algorithm can theoretically be tuned to evaluate content as human, scaled content can likewise be tweaked to seem more human.

    What happened: The researchers generated tens of thousands of instruction-following examples, establishing repeatable production at scale. Their accompanying evaluation and limitations do not establish flawless adherence or universal content quality. (Stanford Center for Research on Foundation Models, )

  11. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “Google might pretend it cares about the quality of search results, but nothing about search's decade-long decline has suggested it’s actually going to do anything.”

    What we tested: Google might pretend it cares about search result quality, but nothing about search's decade-long decline has suggested Google is actually going to do anything.

  12. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “As we speak, the battle that platforms are fighting is against generative spam, a cartoonish and obvious threat of outright nonsense, meaningless chum that can and should (and likely will) be stopped.”

    What we tested: The battle platforms are currently fighting is against generative spam, obvious outright nonsense that can and should, and likely will, be stopped.

  13. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

  14. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

    “The ultimate problem is that this morass of uselessness will lead companies like Google to force their generative AIs to "fix" the problem by generating answers to sift through the crap.”

    What we tested: Low-quality content will lead companies like Google to use generative AI to produce answers that sift through it.

  15. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

  16. Assessment: SupportedSaid

    “Yet at some point these portals will generate an answer based off of the data they have (or have access to, in the case of Tumblr and Wordpress) rather than linking you to a place where you can find an answer by reading something created by another person.”

    What we tested: At some point search portals will give AI-generated answers from their data instead of linking users to content made by people.

    What happened: Google announced public US rollout of AI Mode, describing retrieval across web subtopics and an in-search response experience. The same announcement retains source links, which limits support to direct answers substituting for necessary source visits. (Google, )

  17. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “Their eventual goal, in my mind, is to remove as much interaction with the larger internet as possible, summarizing and regurgitating as much as they can so that they can control and monetize the results as much as possible.”

    What we tested: In his view, the major platforms aim to minimize interaction with the wider internet by summarizing content with AI so they can control and monetize the results.

  18. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

  19. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

    “OpenAI's ChatGPT and Anthropic's Claude are dependent on a constant flow of training data to improve their models, to the point that it's effectively impossible for them to operate without violating copyright.”

    What we tested: OpenAI's ChatGPT and Anthropic's Claude depend on a constant flow of training data to improve their models, to the point that it is effectively impossible for them to operate without violating copyright.

  20. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

  21. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “It's a different flavor of the same problem — these models don't really "know" anything. They're copying other people's homework.”

    What we tested: These models don't really 'know' anything; they're 'copying other people's homework.'

  22. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “This may be why Sam Altman is trying to claim that giant AI models are not the future — because there may not be enough fuel to grow them much further.”

    What we tested: There may not be enough training data to grow giant AI models much further, which may be why Sam Altman says they are not the future.

  23. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “ChatGPT's DALL-E (images) and Sora (video) products are, as I've noted, limited by the availability of ways to teach them as well as the limits of generative AI itself, meaning that video may continue to dominate the internet as text-based content finds itself crowded out by AI-generated content.”

    What we tested: OpenAI's DALL-E and Sora are limited by the availability of ways to teach them and by the limits of generative AI itself, meaning video may continue to dominate the internet as text-based content is crowded out by AI-generated content.

  24. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “There's also no way to escape the fact that these hungry robots require legal plagiarism, and any number of copyright assaults could massively slow their progress.”

    What we tested: Generative AI models require 'legal plagiarism', and any number of copyright assaults could massively slow their progress.

  25. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “It's incredibly difficult to make a model forget information, meaning that there may, at some point, be steps back in the development of models if datasets have to be reverted to previous versions with copyrighted materials removed.”

    What we tested: Because models are hard to make forget information, model development may go backwards if datasets have to be reverted to remove copyrighted material.

  26. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

  27. Assessment: UnresolvedSaid

  28. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “Those who rely on generative AI to create are not creators any more than a person that commissions a portrait is an artist.”

    What we tested: Those who rely on generative AI to create are not creators, any more than a person who commissions a portrait is an artist.

  29. Assessment: Can’t be checkedSaid

    “Don't accept that AI "might one day" be great. Demand that it is today, and reject anything less than perfection from men that make billions of dollars shipping you half-finished shit.”

    What we tested: People should not accept that AI 'might one day' be great, but should demand that it is great today and reject anything less than perfection from the men making billions shipping half-finished products.

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