Pundit ClaimsAI claims by Gary Marcus and Ed Zitron, with the evidence

“so many of the unfortunate consequences of a webscraping/big data approach to AI are disproportionately borne by women and minorities.”

Does AI really need a paradigm shift?, paragraph 19. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

Many of the harmful consequences of the webscraping/big-data approach to AI fall disproportionately on women and minorities.

Assessment: Supported Evidence as of

Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, Does AI really need a paradigm shift?, paragraph 19.

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From the speaker

  • so many of the unfortunate consequences
  • a webscraping/big data approach to AI
  • disproportionately borne by women and minorities

Our interpretation

  • The plain reading is that multiple documented kinds of harm from this approach disproportionately affect women and minority groups. It does not require every harm to affect every such group.
  • Harm includes exclusion from training data, degrading representation, and discriminatory model outputs.
  • The observation concerns the research record and systems existing before the post. There is no standard reporting quarter for this subject; the target ends on the post date and has no stated beginning.
  • This assesses the distribution of documented harms, rather than whether web scraping alone caused them.

Counts as supported if: Primary audits of existing datasets and models document multiple forms of disproportionate harm involving women and minority groups.

Counts as contradicted if: Broad, comparable audits show that the alleged disparities are absent or reversed across the relevant harms, undermining the claimed recurring pattern.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Current assessment

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Outcome: Supported

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Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.

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Rationale

The pre-post research documents several relevant disparities: exclusion of minority-associated language, sexualized representations of women, and degrading racial classifications. Together they support the ordinary qualitative reading of a recurring pattern. They do not establish that women and minorities bear most total AI harm, or that every harm falls disproportionately on those groups.

Limitations

  • Support depends on reading many qualitatively and including representational and data-exclusion harms.
  • The studies cover selected systems and probes, not a representative census of AI harms.
  • Some measured harms disproportionately affected men.

Evidence (3 items)

  • Supports the claim: Dodge et al.; EMNLP 2021, arXiv version,

    disproportionately affected

    Why it matters here: The audit reports removal rates of 42% for African American English and 32% for Hispanic-aligned English, against 6.2% for White-aligned English. This documents unequal exclusion from a web-scraped training corpus, using dialect as a proxy rather than identifying authors.

    Publisher
    Dodge et al.; EMNLP 2021, arXiv version
    Kind of source
    Peer-reviewed paper
    Describes events of
    Public from
  • Supports the claim: Birhane, Prabhu and Kahembwe; arXiv,

    returned pornographic imagery

    Why it matters here: The audit documents sexualized retrieval for ordinary feminine and demographic terms, including terms referring to minority women. This supports unequal representational harm, although the exploratory searches do not estimate its population-wide prevalence.

    Publisher
    Birhane, Prabhu and Kahembwe; arXiv
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
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  • Supports the claim: Radford et al.; arXiv,

    significant disparities

    Why it matters here: CLIP's audit reports nonhuman classifications for approximately 14% of Black images, versus under 8% for every other racial group. It also qualifies any universal gender claim: crime-related misclassification affected male images more often than female images, 16.5% versus 9.8%.

    Publisher
    Radford et al.; arXiv
    Kind of source
    Preprint, not peer reviewed
    Describes events of
    Public from

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  • : Marcus on AI, Does AI really need a paradigm shift?

    so many of the unfortunate consequences of a webscraping/big data approach to AI are disproportionately borne by women and minorities.

    Published
    2022-06-11
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    , live page
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    full text, public

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