Pundit ClaimsAI claims by Gary Marcus and Ed Zitron, with the evidence

“OpenAI’s problems with text and copyright started to become especially clear a year ago, when the New York Times sued them, and showed how close some of the outputs could be to some of the stories on their website.”

Generative AI’s Continuing Copyright Problems, an Essay in Memory of Suchir Balaji, 1998 - 2024, paragraph 5. The full statement is at the source.

Our reading, the sentence that was checked:

OpenAI's problems with text and copyright started to become especially clear a year ago, when the New York Times sued OpenAI and showed how close some of the outputs could be to some of the stories on its website.

Assessment: Supported Evidence as of

Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it

Marcus on AI, Generative AI’s Continuing Copyright Problems, an Essay in Memory of Suchir Balaji, 1998 - 2024, paragraph 5.

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the cutoff for this assessment
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assessment marcus-generative-ais-continuing-copyright-4201a4-a1

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The wording above is the version this site observed on 2026-10-28. The source may have been edited after 2024-12-14. This page does not claim the wording was captured then.

What the claim commits to

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Deadline, as the speaker wrote it
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Deadline state on 2026-10-29
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Conditions

  • some of the outputs (scope, stated by the speaker)
  • some of the stories on their website (scope, stated by the speaker)
  • started to become especially clear (qualifier, stated by the speaker)

From the speaker

  • a year ago
  • the New York Times sued them
  • showed how close some of the outputs could be
  • some of the stories on their website

Our interpretation

  • The December 2024 post refers to the December 2023 lawsuit.
  • The checkable commitment is that the lawsuit presented examples of close textual reproduction. 'Especially clear' expresses the author's assessment of their significance.
  • This does not assert that a court had established copyright infringement or that such outputs were typical.

Counts as supported if: A December 2023 court filing establishes that the Times sued OpenAI and presented outputs closely matching Times articles.

Counts as contradicted if: The court record contradicts the lawsuit's timing, identity of the defendants, or claimed presentation of matching outputs.

Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.

Where it was said (1)

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  • : Marcus on AI, Generative AI’s Continuing Copyright Problems, an Essay in Memory of Suchir Balaji, 1998 - 2024

    OpenAI’s problems with text and copyright started to become especially clear a year ago, when the New York Times sued them, and showed how close some of the outputs could be to some of the stories on their website.

    Published
    2024-12-14
    Source observed
    , live page
    Access
    full text, public

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