“Even if it gets three orders of magnitude cheaper, it’s not as good as the STEM grads at the top of the graph, and probably in many ways not as versatile.”
Our reading, the sentence that was checked:
Even if o3 gets three orders of magnitude cheaper, it is not as good as the STEM grads at the top of the graph, and it is probably in many ways not as versatile.
Assessment: Unresolved Evidence as of
Where and when Gary Marcus wrote it
Marcus on AI, o3, AGI, the art of the demo, and what you can expect in 2025, paragraph 16.
- Said
- Source observed
- live page, full text, public
- Evidence as of
- the cutoff for this assessment
- Assessment recorded
- assessment marcus-o3-agi-the-art-of-the-demo-and-what-965e92-a1
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The wording above is the version this site observed on 2026-10-28. The source may have been edited after 2024-12-21. This page does not claim the wording was captured then.
What the claim commits to
- Kind
- Observation
- Deadline, as the speaker wrote it
- None stated. This site does not add one.
- Deadline state when assessed
- No horizon
- Deadline state on 2026-10-29
- No horizon (the release’s reference date)
Conditions
- even if it gets three orders of magnitude cheaper (qualifier, stated by the speaker)
- the STEM grads at the top of the graph (scope, stated by the speaker)
- probably, in many ways (versatility part) (qualifier, stated by the speaker)
From the speaker
- Even if it gets three orders of magnitude cheaper
- not as good as the STEM grads at the top of the graph
- probably in many ways not as versatile
Our interpretation
- Assess the firm comparison as a claim about the relative ARC-AGI scores plotted in the graph referenced by Marcus.
- Treat the hypothetical price reduction as holding performance constant. It is not a dated forecast that a reduction would happen.
- The versatility clause is expressly hedged and supplies no tasks or measure; it cannot receive a separate firm verdict.
- Use the 20 December 2024 results discussed in the post, not later released o3 versions.
Counts as supported if: The identified contemporary graph and its underlying records place the relevant o3 result below the STEM-graduate reference on the same score axis.
Counts as contradicted if: The identified graph places the relevant o3 result at or above the STEM-graduate reference, or the claimed comparison misreads its axes or populations.
Retrospective: these criteria were written after the outcome was public.
Current assessment
Was it true for the period described?
Outcome: Unresolved
The record was checked, and the evidence available by the cutoff does not settle it.
Scored on a plain reading. The speaker named no measure for this claim, so it was judged on the reading an informed reader would take, stated below under our interpretation. Both reviews had to find that reading fair.
- Evidence as of
- Deadline state when assessed
- No horizon
- Assessment recorded
- Policy version
- 2026-10-28.7
Rationale
The firm chart comparison is checkable, but the recovered text does not establish the particular STEM-graduate reference Marcus named. The presentation's broader human-performance claim uses an unidentified comparator and cannot settle this comparison. The hypothetical price reduction does not turn the statement into a forecast, and the hedged versatility clause remains unmeasured.
Limitations
- This is an evidence-recovery gap, not evidence that Marcus's chart reading was wrong.
- Search snippets and unreadable image contents were not promoted to decisive evidence.
Evidence (1 item)
Context only: Simon Willison,
top result
Why it matters here: The presentation was reported as exceeding a human reference. That is an apparent challenge to Marcus's wording, but the report does not identify this reference as the STEM-graduate point he specified.
- Publisher
- Simon Willison
- Kind of source
- Secondary summary
- Describes events of
- Public from
What would settle it
A dated, readable copy of the referenced graph, with the o3 and STEM-graduate values and documentation of their evaluation populations.
Where it was said (1)
Said once in the sources this register covers.
: Marcus on AI, o3, AGI, the art of the demo, and what you can expect in 2025
Even if it gets three orders of magnitude cheaper, it’s not as good as the STEM grads at the top of the graph, and probably in many ways not as versatile.
- Where
- paragraph 16
- Published
- 2024-12-21
- Source observed
- , live page
- Access
- full text, public
History
Assessment versions
- Assessment marcus-o3-agi-the-art-of-the-demo-and-what-965e92-a1: Current. Outcome: Unresolved. Evidence as of 2026-10-28. Public date not recorded.
Recorded events
Assessment publishedBy this site
First assessment published after both reviews and the final-text check passed.
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